[Ranting Question] Character Facing "+Y" or "-Y"?

[TAN]

So… Here comes the rant. Are you ready ? Good… Let’s go.

The Biped.fbx shows “-y” facing but the CrazyChicken.fbx shows “+y” facing. So which one should I adapt ? Also my request for having CrazyChicken.fbx isn’t even answered ( [Request] Can We Get "CrazyChicken.fbx"? ) So I can not check.

Here:

I want to use Mixamo’s animations and they all face “-y”. And for some reason I am unable to export the skin files facing the correct direction. Although I can export skeleton (.chr) right and everything in 3ds max looks OK, the skin files simply refuses to export themselves right. Possibly the exporter (rc) is at fault.

You see… I have been trying to fix this for… 8+ days now ? How should I say ?.. I am quite a bit irritated right now. If I am unable to use even Mixamo with Lumberyard, God knows how long I have to work on making those animations myself, also at much lower quality.

And I already spent something like more than a week… on a single error.

This isn’t how it is supposed to be. This just isn’t… This isn’t right.

For example instead of fbx imports and options, making a better character import/editing editor interface, writing the C++ API reference document why the effort is being put on components, AWS C++ API and replacement of Flowgraph ? Flowgraph is jut fine for now. People need base API more than AWS one; and why components are even out as replacement to entity when they are severely lacking ?

Fix and polish the most basics first. Then restructure/ deprecate/ expand upon

Let me get a line from defence industry and military strategy:

" What 300 $ rifle you pick for your soldiers has a lot more impact on the war than what 6 million $ surface to air missile you pick. One has a direct consequence to outcome while the other have alternatives to it"

I really wanted to use this engine but it really starts to feel like Lumberyard is “a lot more beta” than I previously thought. It really lacks connection with what people need right now. It almost lacks vision for itself.

Sorry for the rant but I had to get this out of my chest. I have been using CryEngine before and I had the exact same troubles there. It şs just bad memories calling back again.

Cheers;

[Gamely]

I didn’ had the same issues.

(*however in geppetto there is also a transform for the skinned attach you may try to use that instead to rotate the skin in 3dsmax)

As for the rig I think that the orientation +y - y isn’t a problem as long as the root bone has zero transforms , but in max you can conform any rig to the conventions you need or have estabilished so it wouldn’t be so problematic to mantein the chosen convention.

I strongly believe fbx is the most valid option and hope and suggest that max and maya plugins get deprecated as soon as fbx get to a stable full featured state. This will lower the unnecessary effort to mantein 3 options with all the related problems.

*Edit: I was wrong.

[TAN]

OK. After using all the tricks in my bag finally success ( I think ?)

If you export skeleton (.chr) +y facing and your skin parts (.skin) facing the opposite ; -y ; only then it works correct in editor

IMPORTANT: Haven’t still tried the animations.

Screenshot below. I am leaving this here as a possible workaround.

I can’t say I am happy after 10 days of trial and error but still…

Cheers,

[Binky_LMBR]

Hey @TAN, let me know if this works for the long run. If not i’ll get a tech to take a look and help you out.

[Binky_LMBR]

Also, always feel free to rant. It helps us figure out where the pain points are for you all, our users.

[TAN]

Wait there is a transform option in gepetto for this ?!

Can you show me or tell me where is that ? I didn’t know about that ?

Also I think having +y orientation is required for both mannequin and other character<->code setups. But then again I still haven’t came to that part. So I’ll have to look for it.

Thanks mate

[TAN]

Hey @Binky_LY

That really didn’t work me in the end at all. I am trying to get an answer from Maximo about this whole “rotate 180” thing. Will let you know if I can reach a solution.

[TAN]

Well you got me there

Still thank you.

[Gamely]

I’m Sorry I was wrong.It’s just available for other kind of attachments not skin ones.

[Binky_LMBR]

Ah, so this is still an issue? If so, go ahead and unaccept the answer and I’ll see if we can get more help if Maximo can’t help.

[Amonster_LMBR]

Moved to Legacy Features and System / Mannequin